The letter tells of the witches' prophecy for him, which is treated as a certainty, because "I have learned by the perfectest report, they have more in them than mortal knowledge" (1.5.1-3) . Tuft was referring Nora as someone who seems to be the victim due to society but yet its not so when she made the choice to leave her family. His determination seemed to be winning success when, in 180, he died at his military headquarters, having just had Ibsen's play is more based on choices from conflicts that the characters go through. Maybe Nora did not want to have children or did not have a bond with them. The goal the speaker wants to achieve. She does often refer to her contributions to her family, the fact that she saved Torvald's life, but she is absent in her domestic roles. She can only choose between two things. His tone in the letter is condescending and self-righteous. She is basically getting her way all the time. Through this letter we can see that Marcus was not in any way like Torvald. So it is with us; you, alone, carry the guilt of all the misfortune which, however, I helped to enlarge later by my behavior.(Marcuss Letter) He is basically saying its all her fault for their separation. It has an effect on my overall life which is somewhat hard to explain. I find some very significant similarities and differences between Marcus and Torvald Helmer. WebThe latest Arizona headlines, breaking news, in-depth investigations, politics, and local community stories that matter to you. And come to think about it even our days I am not sure how I would have understand a women who abandoned her 6 (!!!) You see aspects of so many personalities explored and ever changing throughout the whole play. He did not say hurtful things to her. Marcuss letter to his wife sounds like he is reprimanding her for the cause of her leaving. All 3 characters were slaves of money and desicions and consciousness were greatly afflicted by their economic well being. What Nora is really portraying, in her actions, is a concern for her own problems and a disregard for her responsibilities. Ibsen uses not use as only Nora and Torvald, but every single character big or small to ask a question on human freedom. Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of Democratic Republic of the Congo, Brussels, January 26, 1960. /s. Whenever Marcus does take partial blame, he quickly follows it by an excuse to keep the situation from ever being completely his fault.Marcus seems to be a strong character. In painting he is generally represented as an old man, with an horrible look, his hair and beard covered with snow, or hoar-frost, with the feet and tail of a dragon. Hence, the Athenians represented him with his robe before his mouth, as if he felt the pinching winds. According to Tuft, without seeing Nora as being a narcissistic character, she would have no other reason to leave her home and family the way she did. Life is all about compromise. His proposal for her to come back to his home and their society is very strict and restrictive of her own personal will. It's a formal letter addressed to someone who didn't hold up their end of the deal. Both men are the head of the household and both men dominate their wives, but I believe Marcus is more badly then Torvald. These are just two different ways for each person to deal with the break up and every person is different. I dint think it at first, but after reading and looking deeper into the play I see how self-fish Nora is. A Nineteenth-Century Husband's Letter to His Wife displayed the backward thinking which led to the end results of Ibsen's play. I took that sentence as him saying it was the wifes fault and the husband was innocent. You observe the emotions of a man who loved a woman that didn't love him, and you see a possible workaholic father typical of his era. The primary points of the letters from Abigail Adams to her husband John reveal that, in all likelihood, the country elected the wrong half of this letter He was very cocky as he was the only important person in the relationship and that he really did not care if they were together or not. He is an empty shell now that she is gone and it becomes more and more obvious with each chauvinistic statement.He also spoke of things to come. In Marcus letter to his wife, not one time did Marcus tell his wife that he loved her? He basically begged her to stay. Both Marcus and Torvald concern themselves with the opinions of others. The tone of Marcuss letter is very domineering not only to his wife but to the women population. It seems like Tuft's refers to Nora as a narcissistic character in order explain that it was maybe partially fault of her own that the whole thing ended the way it did. A Marxist Approach to A Doll house show how a female role relies on a male. xSe[9A Most people who have high statuses in society have these inner issues and try to cover them up or make them disappear by spoiling themselves with materialistic possessions. She used her womanly seduction to get money from Torvold on a constant basis. Almost slave like relationship. He's clearly very narcisstic. I would say most conscious decisions are made thinking about the financial issues and the state of the economy. With all that he is really not taking any blame at all and just putting it all on her. These letters, which Cicero wrote to his friend Atticus, brought to light elements of Cicero's private or "human" character as compared to his public persona that had been He said "a women(or man) walking out on her husband(or wife) and children in order to fulfill her duties is is no longer the shock for us today that it was for the audiences at the nineteenth century." She hardly ever cares for her children and when she does, it is to play with them. Divorce or separation meant ostracism; as Marcus writes, 'your husband, children, and She did sin in the fact that she left the house and her family to follow her own desires but yet he thinks lack of happiness isn't a real reason to leave. All he's asking is for what any wife would want to do for her husband. Perhaps we could not see Nora as narcissist because there may be parts of narcissism in us all. Nora, I feel, has the mind in which a woman would have today. She is the one who is manipulating her proud and stupid as peacock husband. Both men seem to feel that they are the most powerful of each family. BORING. Torvald believes he truly loves Nora; however, he doesn't realize that he's only married to her for his reputation and image. Also, he wants to analyze if Nora is defined to be in narcissism or just to be self absorbed. Marcus focuses this letter to his specification and what his needs were and how she was to perform her duties as his wife. But the kids - they certainly will suffer from this entire ordeal. They wanted a life in which was more then just duty to your husband and family. The relationship between Nora and Torvald although there was some duty in it as well I truly do believe they cared for one another. What is sensible to her may not be what is sensible to him. It doesnt matter what we think about it today, but back then a women was not able to get a job if she abandoned her family so I am positive that it was the wife that initiated the process of returning to her husband and not vice versa. It also makes mention of the characters Dr. Rank and Mrs. Linde, who seem to get overlooked in this play a lot. (Genesis 3:13) Marcus compares him and his wife Ulrike to Adam and Eve, stating that he like Adam only sinned as a result of Eve, vindicating himself of her actions.The experience of Marcus and Ulrike is similar to A Doll House however only in a few ways such as Torvald's decision to lay the sole blame on Nora and his expectation of her wifely duties after receiving the initial letter from Krogstad. Over the past hundred years or so, productions of "A Doll House" have romanticized Nora as a heroine for a feminist cause. Aside from a brief mention of their family (their children and their extended families), there isn't a personal tone in the words written. Tuft feels that nora is narcissistic because he feels that she is only thingking about herself. He asks the man to explain Hester's crime. It is as if the writer dictates his requests as his non-negotiable needs which, by today's standards would be seen as tyrannical. A guy might be focused on the visual and notice something about you thats beautiful to him. Tufts purpose in arguing that Nora be seen as narcissistic can be explained by the way the story ended. Who is the victim here? She left these commitments of being a mother, a wife, and a friends. But Marcus decided to blame his wife for his acting like what Eve did to Adam. She flirted shamefully with Dr. Rank, with no intention of ever showing him any real interest. What significant similarities and difference you In her newspaper column and on the air, First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt invited the American people to write to her. The text is not feminist due to the fact that Nora is not standing up for some rights giving by women. She walks out on her husband and children to take care of herself and her own needs. The perspective of the self-searching humanist would be more relatable to current readers, since our present society now has greater value placed upon ambition and becoming all that you can be. Marcus seems to be pinpointing most of the blame on his wife in the letter. % The letter to the 19th century wife is what many would believe the letter to Nora would look like. It was the wifes fault for their separation and she has to carry the burden of the putting the marriage into trouble. children. She always wants things to center around her which seems to be the reason why she loves all the attention and little games her and Torvald would play in the beginning of the story. He accepts the responsibility for their separation by agreeing that she has sinned however he also sinned as well. On the other hand, Witham and Lutterbie then go to say that Nora "equates personal freedom with the acquisition of wealth." Nora does display some characteristics of a narcissist that are given by Tuft. He even proposed a schedule for them, to follow in order for their home to be happy; but with the same routine happening over and over again, happiness will soon disintegrate and the family will crumble yet again. You explore the feelings of a man desperate in the heat of loosing his job, and wife trying to hide the debt she has obtained from her husband. It is also very interesting about the freedom aspect in this letter. It's more of a job then something you should because you feel like doing. Audiences may not relate to 19th century socio-economic roles of women, but they can recognize narcissism when they see it. What I'm trying to say is I agree with the idea that capitalism has put these characters in their positions, but I disagree with the idea that capitalism lead them to make the decisions they made. They also seemed like they wanted to be their own person instead of "someone's wife". I completely agree with Alyssa. However, in spite of his kindness, Torvald is insecure as well. Marcus's letter reminded me of someone who writes something to a person that left them, blaming everything on that person. While many people argue that Nora leaving was completely wrong, sometimes spouses need to leave. He is so obsessed with how she's going to look in one particular dress he doesn't even ask how shes doing.For Marcus, he creates such a demand for his, its hard for him to love someone who he makes do so much. WebThe colonel tried to shoot him down before he left the plantation and promised to shoot him the next time he saw him. A woman in upper-class society of the time had few choices The Marxist approach is very interesting. His tone is very indifferent in the letter; he tells her "Don't travel unprepared; if you need money, ask your father." mrld girl or boy. When she left, he was left feeling guilty and responsible. WebThe Project Gutenberg EBook of The Principles of Psychology, Volume 1 (of 2), by William James This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere in the United States and most other par She sees herself as the center of the universe, and everyone should cater to her every whim. I understand that at that time women played the housewife role; taking care of the household, but her approach to doing things was very manipulative. His use of humor in they have to discuss food and he would expect to be disobeyed was a way of saying even though i may be demanding you i know you will go against me any way and do your thing and he is okay with it too. I can definitely see Tufts argument on Nora being a narcissistic character - - after all she does go throughout the whole story basing her decisions on her and only her. I would just like to strongly emphasize the point that I do not think this would be the letter that Helmer would write to Nora in the future of their separation. It makes it seem worse for her to come back when Helmer would do anything to make it right. Marcus does not care about her happiness. In its negative sense, it is the use of rumors, lies, disinformation, and scare tactics in order to damage or promote a cause. i do not feel this makes her narcissistic. She told Ms. Linde stories, bragging about what she had. It brings up an interesting question Can we ever be free from our socioeconomic class on this earth?When using in any of the techniques they all bring you back to one word: Freedom. He says she is stubborn, has false ambitions, and unreasonable. In fact, most of the hurtful words came from Noras mouth. The tone that he has when writing this letter to his wife is so demanding and in a way almost threatening. She is creating this picture-perfect world for herself that she lives in, and shoves it in other people's faces just so they can't see her internal conflict that she is struggling with. I do agree with the idea that Nora is narcissistic, in fact it hadn't even crossed my mind until I had read this article. Also, the itinerary he requested from her and the schedule that was enclosed with the letter both show me that he is a very demanding man and most likely a difficult person to be married to. Two very different men. Contemporary audiences have different sensibilities than audiences from Ibsen's day. Trajan rose to prominence during the reign of emperor Domitian. A ship, namely a merchantman, returning to Archangel and then England will deliver the letter. Torvald, on the other hand is very affectionate towards Nora but still, both these men are controlling their wives; just in different ways. Though he does say that his behavior may have added fuel to the fire, he quickly reminds he that it was Eve who first ate the apple, not Adam. When she leaves her family at the end of the play, her excuse may be that she finally wants to be in control of her own life and make her own decisions which on that side who can blame her? Later, he subtly admits that he heightened the problem. Ms. Linde was stuck taking care of her relatives. That domestic situation apparently did not bring Ulrike total happinessotherwise, she would not have left. He accepts possible blame She is rather concerned with her appearance, social, and economic status. Socit; Collections. Tufts argues the fact that Nora is narcissistic - because in the end she thinks only of her well being and only about herself right before she leaves. She has free will. This shows that he believes women will not willingly choose to live on their own because they may be incapable, dependent, or other things. I mean if she is not happy with her husband - this is one thing and I can understand that. I think this is what all this is about. Both parties demands/requests only for "savingappearances" (Norton 1550) as nothing else matters including happiness, only keeping up the appearance that both families are just as solid as they once were. Web"A Nineteenth Century Husband's Letter to His Wife" details the many duties she would need to follow if she choose to return, including bathing the children every WebSelect search scope, currently: catalog all catalog, articles, website, & more in one search; catalog books, media & more in the Stanford Libraries' collections; WebThis quote tells us that John sees himself as superior to his wife, who is something to be laughed at. This is the ONLY time the husband admits responsibility for the split of their relationship. The similarities are Helmer and Marcus assumes authorities over their wives. He wears his emotions on his sleeve while Marcus masks his underneath his masculinity. 7Qr-Ke>`88esThx}2\$ Kt~~@oP(GAa%8h/heIs$ Making her seem completely insane while --Marcus statements "My wife promises-- for which EVERY wife is [obligated] to her husband." That can't possibly be true, it is not a take take take relationship. Nora is narcissistic. Abigail and John Adams's letters to each other show a rare marriage of equals, historians say. I guess by those standards, everyone is a narcissist. You can say she needed the money for her husbands health or you can say she needed the money for Tolvads heath so he would not die and she could maintain her lifestyle? Nora realizing that her so-called 'husband' Torvald was only making her stay by his side trough the use of money. He is very controlling. If he had indeed reflected on his actions, he would not be telling her "if we want not only to be content for a day but forever, you will have to follow my wishes." Now well into his voyage, on July 7 Robert Walton writes to his sister. I agree with Tuft with the conclusion that Nora is a narcissistic because if she wasn't she would have never left her husband but especially her children who didn't do anything wrong to persue her own desires and ambitions which is wealth. Instead Nora did not even notice it, and failed to realize that her friend was conflicted in a love once lost. In the letter he uses rhetorical strategies such as tone, diction and I believe that throughout the play, Nora exhibits all the traits of a narcissistic person. %PDF-1.3 The difference is , Trovold kind of treats Nora as a child or dog -- giving her rewards for being a "good" wife, like always giving her money and rewarding her with jewlery and clothes. Marcus focuses on the problems of his wife, instead of his own faults. He makes it certain that these are demands for my pattern, and that is only a list of failure and unhappiness in marriage. In this letter from Marcus to his wife, Marcus has a very demanding tone-- he makes it seem that he has all the power, & something like its my way or the highway lady.Just like in "A Dolls House", both trovold and Mrcus bothe treat their wivies as poossesions. He sees no other reason as to why someone would leave in search for their own desires is they weren't content in only pleasing themselves. In the American Standard Version of the Holy Bible (http://ebible.org/bible/asv/) Adam told God "The womangave me (fruit) of the tree, and I did eat." he is dictating to his wife in this letter as well. In 1933 she received some 300,000 letters and cards. She is very self-absorbed. (by the way, tinderxheart06 is actually laura but i can't figure out how to make my username my real namean dnot my screen name). I just find it ironic that perhaps the one person who has lost of most (her family) and most dependant (servant) appears to be the most content. In fact, Bess became such an integral part of Harrys decision Marcus and Torvald Helmer are very much alike. He even tries to persuade Nora to not leave him. An argument that presents Nora as narcissistic is one of great interest, one which I had never considered before. Or perhaps she is a narcissist and is blind to it. More money = more happiness = more freedom? The husband is making statement such as if she comes back it will be the "correct" thing to do. Vonnegut tells us that everyone is "finally equal" in 2081. So without knowing further details about the case I reserve my further judgment. He had to keep his wife in perfect conditionlike a delicate set of China. How I wish that I had nothing to do with you either. Marcus basically explains to his wife that she has sinned first therefore the entire sin is on her and not him which is exactly like a dolls house. I felt a touch of compassion for Helmer in that he didn't know what hit him when Nora declared her intentions. It comes from not getting to know a person. In these events, obvious other messages can also be seen, such as the feminist qualities in Nora leaving her whole world behind and leaving her family to make herself into an equal, and her own individual. She makes her life decisions knowing it will benefit her and make her happy. As Nora was in pursuit of success, and riches, she was fulfilling her egoistic desires while at the same time repressing the need of finding herself as a person. Rather than celebrate feminist causes, they'll identify with an individual's desire for self-actualization and debate about the validity of Nora's actions. He pleaded with her to tell him how they could make it work. WebWhy does Marcus trust HFM organizers, and follow their clues to real-world encounters with enemy teams, while he is highly suspicious of government operatives attempting to Freedom is anonymity and she expresses that when she leaves because she is going to be all alone in this world. I found Torvald loved Nora where as Marcus does not love his wife. Their marriages must remain intact to silence slanderous lips. 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