Counet - Genot He received his technical training in Soest and then in Warstein. You can also browse other antique pistols for sale or additional categories as diverse as Colts, Winchesters, and antique long guns. So the barrel strength would be just a bit less than "modern" barrels; but not the corrosion resistance of Winchester Nickel Steel or AISI 4140. Anyone else know? Scroll Down on Alphabetical List of Gun Makers - Manufacturers - Dealers P to T Prechtl, Gottfried Jagd- und Sportwaffen Auf der Aue 3 D - 69488 BirkenauGermany Telefon +49 6201 167 88 E-Mail: info@prechtl-waffen.de Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. Heyday of the Shotgun: The art of the gunmaker at the turn of the last century. Antiquegunlist.com is the leading provider of antique guns for sale. Manufactured in the 1860's. Receiver has approximately 75% original nickel plating. Pistol made in Belgium, as you know. I'll restrict myself therefore tosaying something about gun making in Belgium and offering some proof marks. Percussion side by side manufactured in Belgium during the 1850's. Damascus barrels are 32" choked cylinder. carefully bound by threads. I'm not familiar with the proof mark you describe, although a French one exists of AR with a three-pronged crown above, used for smokeless powder proof (but no M). Right hammer needs repair; left hammer cocks are functions properly. [Later note: Gerhard Wirnsberger has written. Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk Aug 26, 2020 #3 Here ya go! Burrard, Major Sir Gerald. this book online and pay it through Paypal. (Not safe to shoot with modern shells.) Damascus barrels are 30". Seller: Jacob Hranowskyj. Nessonvaux is short drive outside of Liege. So the only indicator of the chamber depth is found with the stamp of the Chamber dimensions? Using a shotgun shell (a self-contained cartridge with multiple small, sphere-shaped projectiles) instead of a usual bullet is what makes a shotgun a separate kind of a gun. Makers - Darne, Merkel, Arrieta, Beretta, Browning, Holland, Purdey, Richards, Bernardelli, Parker, Fox, LC Smith, and most other double barreled shotgun, gun and double rifle makers. and BELGIUM had a glut of old, obsolete flint lock and percussion gun parts left over from years past. The famous "hump back" was made in countless configurations and gauges. (copy right L.R. Some of the links in the first post are inactive and can not be edited. Good overall condition. Photos of the flats on the barrels and on the action would help a lot. Ithaca Gun Company: One of America's most successful gun makers. Hammers cock and function properly. Small Arms Makers by Gardner lists both American and European makers. Fredrick M. Diss of Colchester ~ten gauge boxlock with nice barrels ~ 3" nitro proofs! Stock has a repaired crack at wrist. Very long barrel. Engraving on lock and hamer are faint. Good overall condition. If the price seems too good to be true, it probably is. Don't know about the Star P. And I don't ever evaluate guns. Damascus barrels are 30". All iron construction with skeleton type stock. These marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. Belgian Pinfire. If you could find the time to give me a clue what exactly this gun is I would greatly appreciate it.Thanks,John. GI#: 102181883. Maybe one day sombody will kiss alive this sleeping beauty. into which each separate book is dealing with a small portion of the whole, and that is The first type of testing we will study is the Proof Test. No maker's name anywhere? Audio Books & Poetry; Computers, Technology and Science; Music, Arts & Culture; News & Public Affairs; . Good overall condition. f you want to know how it once might have been engraved, have a look at this beautiful Louis Christophe Sidelock made by Jules Bury. LLH (and other Belgian makers) made the tubes used by most of the U.S. double gun makers 1920s-1940s, with Siemens-Martin or Krupp (by license) steel supplied by Cockerill. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for (STGUN52) Advert5x4" For Reliability Always Choose Laurona, Gunmakers, Spain at the best online prices at eBay! Chaineux J. Double made in the mid 1890's. All written content, illustrations, and photography are unique to this website (unless where indicated) and not for reuse/reproduction in any form. Sorry for my delay in responding: I've been OOT and off-line for two weeks. Stocks are good with minor nicks and dings. $1,750.00. In its small version its a acceptance mark on barrels that was exported in a unfinished state 1846-1893, In its small version its a black powder mark on small pistols and revolvers barrels 1866-1893, In its small version its a black powder mark on small revolvers cylinders 1866-1893. Missing the ramrod. significance or purpose. Small arms currently in service by national army. Bernimolin & Cap Applied to all guns made but not proofed in Belgium - sent to an other country proof facilities. After 1924 fractions of grams were no longer used 1892 - present 1K355.5 17 Any maker's name on the rib between the barrels?Best,Gerry, 1902 a greener twobarrel it has hh on botten of barrel what do i have. Both come in the then very popular caliber 16. Bury is a typical belgian Boxlock gun in 16/65 with 66 cm barrels and a weight of only 2,6 Kg. 2 On barrel locking system or chamber if the lumps are part of the barrel after final black powder proof, Preliminary proof for unfinished barrels, and indicated barrels had not been weakened after proof by breeching, Used on muzzle loaders, Bore diameter in millimeters. Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns, Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Project Upland. Fabrique Nationale FN TPS (Tactical Police Shotgun) Pump-Action Shotgun 13 1992 Dynamit-Nobel Panzerfaust 3 Single-Shot Disposable Anti-tank Rocket Launcher 14 1990 Fabrique Nationale FN P90 Submachine Gun (SMG) / Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) 15 1989 MO-120 RT-61 (Mortier 120mm Raye Tracte Modele F1) Towed Rifled Heavy Mortar-Gun 16 1987 1, Six-Round, Double-Action Pinfire Revolver. Is there a 70mm stamp on the extractor blade faces? Good overall condition. Around the 1880s, Damascus barrels became an object of the past. The 1136 is engraved on the bottom of the barrel. On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. I know the bottom image. Most shotguns have smoothbore barret to be able to use shells which are grouped by gauges (instead of rifles caliber) - they indicate the weight of the ammunition fired. I can't find any other mumbers on the gun other than the multiple proof markings that I will post later. Put it in an old tire, put a 5 lb bag on the over the top . Be sure to bookmark our new arrivals page and check it often. Clment-Neumann The 'z' most likely is an inspector's mark indicating satisfactory quality for this part: in this case, a revolver cylinder--that's my best guess, anyway. Proof Marks or "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. I suspect the gun is a Janssen. 254.541.2985 John Hille, john@jhille.com. It is was built using a very thick A strong good product that will last for long usage in your Stevans): cant verify it is Maj. Doan, but on his hip is a pistol, which looks alike a 7 in. American gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus barrels and on to tubes made from fluid steel. Good overall condition. Handsome English Sidelock double with hammers. Consignment Sale Information. Locks are marked "Perkins". We provide antiqueguns prices and pictures of each antique gun we sell. Cowboy & Old Western History Items 2/3/2023 Bargain Basement 2/3/2023 Check our Services. Thanks! Email: ghcox3@gmail.com. I live in Tennessee and would love help on identifying this gun down to the year and place made. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Good overall condition. Order this book online and pay it through It is a 12 gauge with 70mm = 2 3/4" chambers. Butt plate is horn, no cracks. The same stamp but smaller is found on Flobert guns, selfloading pistols with a excess proof pressure of 50%, on barrels of top break guns for Flobert or revolvers cartridges an excess pressure of 30% and or revolvers which are proofed with 30-50% excess loads. The wood does not look ancient so I am guessing in the 1970s or so. Gauge: 10 gauge. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. . Paypal, Order We offer a wide variety of antique firearms for the antique gun collector. Cap Joseph vast quantity of data to treat, the global work was parted in a series of publications, The blue is rough but the action works. I can't help you with the ID of the gun but there countless European gun makers, many of them Belgium, around the late 1800's early 1900's. They range in quality from very good to . Damascus barrels are 29". Metal has a brown patina. Henri Pieper (left) and Nicolas Pieper (right) Henri Pieper was born and raised in modest German home in Soest (Westphalia) Germany on Oct 30, 1840. Hammers cock and function properly. Side by side field gun manufactured in the 1860's. Hello, I have two ELG 1136 Belgian Percussion Dueling pistols with a 6 inch barrel. The gun was proofed before 1924. JavaScript is disabled. Savage continued to build guns under the A.H. Fox name into the 1940s. Sidelock double with hammers. Berleur Guillaume A reader hasasked me to say something aboutBelgian proof marks. Anonymes Chaumont M.J. Collings Hadelin L.C. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Variant of the one above, used for some month in 1894 and sometimes later on Not for ball, indicates that the barrel has choke. Length of pull is 14 5/8. How do I price this piece? Mark for optional superior provisional proof. The company was acquired by Remington Arms in 1934. Serial: 40593. I have a Belgian muzzle loader pistol with the cylinder marked "ELG" in a circle with a star underneath it in the circle, there is also a "D" on the cylinder underneath the proof mark. As I've said, I'm not an expert. Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1 By Alain Daubresse This printed and hardbound book, written in English and French by Alain Daubresse, provide an extensive insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of the 20th century. . I'm very excited and can't wait for some replies. Wish I could be more helpful! Hi Gerard and everyone! A quality English manufacturer. Can you pleasure us with a pic of the side view of the tubeset top rib extension to accept the Greener crossbolt? Savage was founded in 1894 by Arthur Savage in New York after years of tinkering with lever-action rifle designs. Length of chamber over diameter of chamber. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. listed in alphabetical order. Shouldn't be hard to find! The idea behind such a test is to verify the strength of the barrel, breech and firing system of a firearm by deliberately firing an over-pressured cartridge. Jules Bury advertising from the 1930ies.Courtesy of littlegun.be. European - especially English, French, German, and Italian - guns can also have good value. Or any info? If you are considering buying a Belgian gun, look long and hard atits quality. Quite old. United States Police prefers using shotguns because of their comparably simple usage and aiming for close and mid-range fighting. Shotguns became popular after the U.S. Army used them during the First World War while close-range fighting in trenches. firearms books bibliary. Burlet Can you send me some, Ed? There's no indication of gauge. So I'd guess it was made in the late 1800's. The "1136" might be the serial number for that pair of pistols. Check your syntax! Handguns, shotguns, machine guns, battle rifles Seekins Precision Glen Seekins Seekins Precision United States Civilian S&T Motiv S&T Holdings Co Ltd South Korea Military S&W Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson Smith & Wesson: United States Various: Savage Arthur Savage Savage Arms: United States SCCY SCCY Firearms: United States Seraphim Armoury . Last edited on 20 February 2023, at 21:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_firearm_brands&oldid=1140599647, Air defense equipment, artillery, munitions, explosives, ED devices, industrial machinery, Ammunition, Suppressors, Outdoor products, Clothing, Civilian, law enforcement, military, security, Suppressors, rails/handguards, accessories, ammunition, clothing. On top between the barrels "CANONS ACIER GARANTI". Marks visible are crown-over-U (final proof) and eagle-crown-over-S (smoothbore) and -W (choked). Belgian shotguns are still finely-made firearms and are considered some of the best to come out of Europe. have a great day! The only other markings I have seen are along the length of thr barrel \ \/ | . How does it open? John Browning's Auto-5 set the bar for semi-automatic shotguns. A fantastic 10 gauge sidelock from a quality manufacturer. This is a rare 20 gauge August Lebeau double barrel shotgun, side locks, extractors, factory 2 3/4 inch chambers, ordered and shipped in 1912 to Russia. JavaScript is disabled. On this page, once you scroll past the patent stuff, you'll find a gun very much like yours. Today's biography is a guest post by our friend Robert White - thanks, Robert! Eventually, the company developed the Savage Model 99, a classic hunting rifle the company had produced for nearly 100 years. Example of inspectors mark, any letter can be used with a crown. Weight of proofed barrels, after 1924 fractions of grams no longer used. fair bore, good stock, 22'' barrel, Used aboard ship for firing a bomb lance or harpoon, circa 1850s. View all posts by Wolfgang von Brauchitsch , TOY FOR A BOY DREYSE TESCHING from 1894. For sale is a unique old Damascus steel Very large double barrel 10 ga shot gun. Thanks. Side by side with auto ejectors and single selective trigger. Receiver has original case colors in protected areas. . In the U.S., American made guns tend to be more desirable and more valuable than others, especially from the flintlock era. Hey I have a F. Dumoulin & Co. 12 gauge side by side with double hammers. Share to Reddit. Bernard Emile & Cie Barrel rib is unmarked. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Can you add any details? Belgian Liege gunmakers (G to K) - Volume 3 The text is written in French AND English. Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. It's complete. Stock is walnut and has some repairs at the wrist. (Improved) Nr. William Moore 7 Co. Bernimolin After investigation of proofmarks I realised it is a Belgium manufacured gun from Liege. Beau, I need help finding out more about this pistol.. leg in a circle star over the k in 3 places and a crown over jj and the name j. Cueruy and NR under the grip. Other makers include Lebeau Courally and Mahillon. Baltus - Wilmotte Belgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 preBelgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 pre 1898 fine old Belgium imported exposed hammer shotgun, Leige proofed, floral engraved receiver showing some; FINE 19C. Until 1894, stamped in .02mm graduations, then in 0.1mm steps, Degree of choke, in this case 0.7mm constriction. Damascus barrels are 30". Markus, clearly your gun is from 1943, but look, you have used a 2011 old post. manufacturers identifying marks, more commonly referred to as Proof Marks, Arsenal or Inspector Marks Metal has a greying patina. Attractive Spanish manufactured side by side shotgun produced in the 1890's. Double Barrel Shotgun. Mark, I'm unclear what the "leg in a circle" looks like; ditto the "star over the k". Bultot Jean Lige is in the French-speaking part of Belgium. The "D.D. Your help is appreciated. But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. The other side of the coin is that quality can indeed be there in Belgian guns: The Belgian Browning Superposed were all fine guns, whilefirms like Francotte, Dumoulin, or Lebeau-Courallycould make guns of very high quality indeed. A fine antique 18th Century Double Barreled English Percussion Sporting Gun by the famous maker Henry Nock London, caliber 14 mm . Get this product now as it would not last, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. Comblain Belgian gun makers of that era were notorious for blatantly copying other makers firearms, using names that were close to famous makers such as "W Richards" for "Westley . Sounds like a 19th C. Belgian pinfire shotgun (grin). Other than the diameter stamp, I don't see a 70mm stamp. Damascus barrels are approximately 30". Introduced to designate arms proved in conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. 7626 Westheimer @ Voss, Houston, Texas 77063. ]v8 >ZX 2Fu}) Belgian Liege gunmakers What about a lightning bolt with a star above? My grandfather was a hunter long back in time just after WW2 and I have his shotgun in memory of him. It has punched on one side of barrel 17.2, on the other side punched JC, EL ,pinfire symbol, K and crown on its top, E LG little crown under them in oval.Please help me to get the closest identification for this nice firearm. in the A to C range of the alphabetical order. Rich engraved. 1848. New York: A. S. Barnes, 1961. Original Ithaca butt plate is not chipped or cracked. only 70 i see is the 70above the D = above where it says 20.7 i dont know what those numbers mean. Good overall condition. Very good overall condition. Good overall condition. The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. $28,000.00. Stocks are good with some field wear. I will try to upload a pic if it'll let me. presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are Stocks have some field wear. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It's an old Belgian made SXS 12 gauge, marked "Lancaster Arms Co." From doing a little research on the proof marks, I think it was made sometime just pre-WWI. Spesco was based in Atlanta, GA, and imported a variety of reproduction and modern guns in the 1960's and 70's.It would be a good idea to check that the rifle is unloaded. We don't know a lot about this maker except that he set up shop at 5 Pelham's Lane in Colchester, Essex, from 1901 to 1913. "The Best Damn Gunshop in the World" Bonzon & Arents & Cie http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowl m/www/home. Coleye M. N. Behr Jean jacques SN:6287. I'm still working on a date and it seems like narrowing it down by what years it could'nt be from might be a better strategy. The 12C in the diamond is the nominal bore diameter - again 12g - but in French - 'calibre 12'. ArmsCollectors.com Collectable Firearms Forums Modern, antique and collectable firearms, questions answered, gun & militaria related items. I have not fired it. stream Share to Facebook. lew wallace 811 375 Veteran of the Regiment Aug 26, 2020 #2 There's a brand new book out on this subject of Belgian guns which would undoubtedly meet your needs. Bertrand Antoine & Fils Original butt plate has some wear, no chips or cracks. Debouxthay was a gunmaker in Liege, Belgium, active at least from 1888-1904. 1890. + 10-14% by piezoelectric transducer measurement. It has been just recently released but has received some exposure in the gun blogs. Bores are excellent. You can tell an unaltered pin-fire by the vertical slot in the breech extending to the top of the barrel (and, of course, the absence of a firing pin). Bonehill. 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