However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. I remember waking up that morning. The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. This is going amongst the elders now. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). This was a many time thing. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. I payed for you and James. Today the guys share their conversation with journalist, author, and speaker Julie Roys. Our marriage improved incredibly after we both agreed that neither one of us was Jesus. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attentionnot just for his new partnership, but also his provocative social media posts about women and marriage. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldnt have the letters. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. Ostensibly, one of the assets MacDonald obtained in the arbitration settlement is the list of email addresses of former Walk in the Word supporters. Well, maybe it had approval by the executive elders, maybe it had approval by Fred Adams, who was the CFO at the time. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. And I got the text. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. On that Haiti trip. James MacDonald, who was recently fired as senior pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel, is now facing an allegation of sexual misconduct by the church's former worship leader. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, . The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Tragically . But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. Maybe not as profoundly as somebody whod been involved so long, but it was powerful. And then he apologized. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. There were elders and influential families that spoke against Moses in the desert, God destroyed them and their families. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Judson is a top ranked Christian university providing a caring community and an excellent college experience. And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. All my legal fees got paid. Thank you Jesus, Amen. If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. Because Im not a quiet guy in meetings. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. What it really means to speak the truth in love, one post read. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. The Roys Report is a Christian media outlet, reporting the unvarnished truth about what's happening in the Christian community so the church can be reformed and restored. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . Id read through everything and all the letters. Only Gods opinion is what counts. I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. Hi. Can you say what was in that letter? And that was a big question. According to an independent audit of Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. I stepped into a conference room. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. Not long ago, I noticed that James MacDonald is still latched onto evangelical watchdog blogger Julie Roys as his number-one. And as people rotated through, there were newer people on the board, and they wouldnt have really had a lot of access to to James McDonald. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. Am I characterizing that correctly? Who were all shameless self promoters. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? His employment is coming to an end. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. And I read all these verses, and we were talking about it. And I remember a comment being made. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? And James, recently, in this video that he posted, said that there was an elder, in these meetings, he says, its very, very disparagingly who, who was holding his Bible and kept reading scripture. Great! But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? The marriage relationship has died. And this was a spiritual battle. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. According to Harvest Bible Chapel pastor James McDonald, former Moody Radio host Julie Roys and bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant published and helped publicize false and damaging financial . It was so much easier to read and understand. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. 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If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. *, In an email to TRR, Gregoire claimed that Viscontis view about women does not match the research. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. Thats even though MacDonalds former megachurch, Harvest Bible Chapel, disqualified MacDonald from public ministry in 2019 for a pattern of sinful behavior.. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. Thank you. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. The airing accelerated the timeline. The man does not make the ministry., God [emailprotected]. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. Marin, Yeah Cynthia. And by that time Harvest was 30, in its 31st. The Lord made it really clear. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. And I checked my voicemail. And I dont need to know. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. . I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. I need to repent. So he was fired. Great! Yes, it is. But for us not to act would be unbelief. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? It was a large elder board. George of course evangelicalism is [anti-Christ] fundamentalism. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. Well she finally called Julie Jezebel Roys I invited Julie to appear in a public forum before and interested audience and answer for the many many lies she has told about me and my family as well as her bullying of anyone who opposes her or stands with us. Im Julie Roys. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? How about that one? . So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. I wish I didnt. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. They discuss the role of journalism as it relates to local churches and prominent leaders, and her her current work investigating Harvest Bible Chapel and Pastor James MacDonald. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. To donate, click here. And this wasnt a one time thing. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. I knew what the topic was. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. I look back at those meetings. Im Julie Roys. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. Hi. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. Whats wrong with Visconti supporting Kari Lake or speaking out against abortion or transgenderism? ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. James MacDonald. Jennifer And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. That would be acceptable teaching. This is this is one of the biggest things elders could do. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. On February 13, the elders announced James MacDonald had been fired . My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. To donate, click here. . And I just felt this incredible weight. Theres no joy in doing this. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. . Ive already told you there was consensus from board. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. Great! Hes a deceiver. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. That was a very common part of how Harvest approached things like that. You are Julie. Hes a large imposing man. The leaders were brought together. Its come to this. And so I felt relief. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . But again, you push that issue, you got those letters. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. I remember talking and saying, guys, were all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what were doing in this meeting. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. I was there at HBC & witnessed it. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. I appreciate elders (Hebrews 13:17). The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. No, Im just reporting. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. MacDonald was fired, Mark DeMoss, a man described by Christianity Today as Evangelicalisms PR Guru and a former Liberty University trustee, is apparently spending time with two men, Its been more than two years since Harvest Bible Chapel fired James MacDonald for engaging in conduct . Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. And I listened to it. And, and the drama begins. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. You know, theres, I would say, round two, but I my guess is there were lots of small rounds in there, of people being silenced and bringing charges and, and the board looking the other way. Just look at King David . And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. What Happens Now? So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. pretty rotten.. So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didnt know it. I knew that there were hundreds of people, probably more, that were hurt that all this stuff happened. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. If not, youre probably looking at what Paul latter in the chapter describes as an immature child. And I sat and prayed. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. SMH. year. I know its your hope too, Dan, and I just want to thank you. Yeah. Understandable. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. 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But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. We got to pray. . None of my sources said it was wrong. Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. I still dont understand all sides of the transgender issue, but can say 2 things: 1. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. That was you, wasnt it? And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. My husband and I pray that anyone who has been hurt or used by Im can heal. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. Yeah, I can share some of it. I shouldnt be doing this. Im not positive on that. That was positioned as an attack from the start. Visconti wins the Internet! Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. Julie. Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. Church, Ministry News I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! I called him. Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. I acknowledge my sin to you. And welcome to the podcast. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. I hope you have a great day and God bless. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. Because again, that was one letter that never got published and the contents, other than what Ron Duitsman said in his recent video because he actually referenced that letter. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. And Dan said it was just so unnerving. Had it not been for that recording, I mean, what do you think? She wanted me to look at it. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. Longtime leader of the Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel James MacDonald has been ousted as senior pastor in light of unsavory remarks he made on a hot mic that were aired on local media Tuesday. 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